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ÜberDoober
04-13-2008, 10:37 PM
From the wayback machine...

The first "real" motorcycle I owned was purchased somewhere around 1968/69 and was in a basket. Can't recall where I got it from but do remember no one had any information or parts for it.

Somehow or another, I managed to get it put together and running with a rattlecan paint job and homemade seat. This may be the only surviving photo I have and it's none too good.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/EKron/James.jpg

I was never sure if it was a trials bike or a scrambler and recent research doesn't help totally clear it up. I did find a similar year scrambler that does resemble what I had more closely than the trials model but I do know it had the biggest rear sprocket in the world.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/EKron/James2.jpg

I do know she had the famous Villiers Starmaker engine. Something that taught me a lot about wrenching and how things worked. Here are a few details about the Starmaker:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/EKron/Starmaker2.jpg

It was designed by Bernard Hooper and was originally intended to be for use in scrambles but was soon being used as a road racing engine. Various firms and individuals were adding their own tuning and Villiers, as always, took note of this and soon there were three variations available, a road racer and a trials unit in addition to the scrambles engine.

The cylinder is fitted with a cast-in austentite iron liner which has equal expansion rates to the aluminium cylinder, the trials and scrambles engines have wide pitched finning to prevent mud clogging them up whilst the racing cylinder has close pitched finning with angled fins on the head to direct air to the sparking plug A full circle crank was used on racing and scrambles engines to help preserve the high compression and on all engines the forged steel connecting rod fitted on a caged needle roller big end, roller bearings supporting it. The magneto was an energy transfer unit. Trials engines could be had with 6 or 12 volt systems. The racing engine in supplied form gave over 31bhp at 7,400rpm, the scrambler 22bhp at 5,500rpm and the trials engine 14bhp at 5,500rpm. Tuners increased these figures.

Bill Ivy on a Cotton Starmaker rode at many events in all parts of Great Britain and often showed all other machines the way home. And similar success was gained by other riders in all manner of events but the occasion when many motorcyclists were encouraged to believe that the time would not be too far distant when once again British machines and riders would be at the top of the world road racing tree once again was when in 1966 Villiers entered a machine which had a Starmaker engine in a Bultaco frame and was ridden by Peter Inchley in the 250cc Lightweight Class in the IOM TT. It came in third, the best British result in this class for many years. Source: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pattle/nacc/arc0596.htm

I do recall that the clutch had a diaphram spring that a school friend's dad helped me make a tool that I could take it apart with, but not by choice. This same friend somehow convinced me to sign up to ride an observed trials with him and I pitched the bike into a rocky ravine in the very first section. I was about 14 at the time and convinced my mom trials was safe. After 10 guys hauled it back to to the trail, I decided that I wasn't a trials rider and headed back to the truck to park the bike and watch my friend. Unfortunately, I pitched a chain on the way and it broke the inside of the primary case cover. The clutch had to come off to get to the cover, hence the need for a homemade tool.

I really thought this bike was pretty cool when the AJS 250 Stormer's came out in about 1970. Almost the exact Villiers Starmaker engine and the new dealer in town was actually able to get me a few parts (and a real clutch tool!)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/EKron/AJS_Stormer_1970c_1.jpg

I went on to ride my very first motocross race on this bike but again, crashed out horribly. Deciding that this 300 pound piece of equipment wasn't the best tool, went on from there to purchase my first new motorcycle, a Husqvarna.

I lugged this old bike around with me for many many years when finally in about 1986 or so, being an idiot in a hurry and not realizing I'd never own anything like this again, my poor James and her Starmaker engine made it to the great motorcycle junkyard in the sky.

Hoofhearted
04-14-2008, 09:38 PM
Terrific!! More please!! Funny you should have had one of those. About five years ago I was driving along when something caught my eye at the side of the road. Turned out to be an AJS Stormer. Or I should say the mortal remains of said Ajay. Engine, frame, forks was about it. I threw it in the back of the truck rather than see it go to the dump. A cople of ears ago I mentioned it on another form and one of the guys got all excited! What were my plans? Could I be persuaded to part with it? etc. I gave him a very honest description of what I had and said he could have it. I'm in Riverside CA and he's in Vegas. Almost 400 miles away. Well he drove here and collected it!! Spent a couple of hours talking, loaded the bike and away he went. Last time I talked to him its still a conversation piece.

The Stormer photo wasn't up when I typed the above. Take off the wheels, tank and seat and thats exactly what I found on the side of the road!! Too cool!!!

kelstr
04-15-2008, 08:26 AM
i remember that JAMES you had , that was a really cool old bike .
my buddy Harry had an AJS Stormer when i had a 1962 PUCH DS50 scooter , ----my step brother David had the 1965 PUCH DCS60 scooter which was updated quite abit from mine, -----they were kinda like a honda trail 90 bike , ----all my freinds called them a girls bike:eek:

im not really sure what happened to them .
Harry would let me ride that AJS in the river bottom , ----that thing was also heavy and really hurt me afew times

kelstr
04-15-2008, 08:54 AM
Hoofhearted, that had to be strange to find that ald AJS just sitting there.
im glad you did something good with it.
it is amazing to think how many DKW's, Pentons, Ossa's, Husky's, Maico's, Rokon's, Montessa's, Can-ams, Greeves, bultaco's and so on that was once here in the AZ Califorina desert area ,--?
i always keep thinking that there has got to be pleanty of these old bikes in the back of people barns's and garadges and such
---they just could not all have disapeared :eek:

ÜberDoober
04-15-2008, 12:16 PM
I remember that JAMES you had , that was a really cool old bike .


You should! You are the one that convinced me it was junk that needed to go in the dumpster, dammit! :) Why did I ever listen?

At least you still have that 250 Elsinore. Last time I was at your shop, I saw the motor still sitting on the shelf where it's been for the last 15+ years. Why don't you get ambitious and restore it? Or sell it on eBay or something? :eek:

Hoofhearted
04-15-2008, 09:52 PM
Well, I couldn't see it going into a landfill. I had no idea what I was going to do with it but the word dump wasn't in any of the non-existant plans. Its funny how these things show up. Heres a 1960 DOT I had. It was a 197cc Villiers that wound up being bored out to take a 250 piston. It was flogged around the desert until I sold it in '67. Neat thing is I know where it is.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1497/img104lw5.jpg[/IMG]

kelstr
04-16-2008, 11:08 AM
You should! You are the one that convinced me it was junk that needed to go in the dumpster, dammit! :) Why did I ever listen?

At least you still have that 250 Elsinore. Last time I was at your shop, I saw the motor still sitting on the shelf where it's been for the last 15+ years. Why don't you get ambitious and restore it? Or sell it on eBay or something? :eek:
i know, i know -----i made some really bad desecions in life ,---------but now i just keep everything , ----and god do i have a mess :(,
and when i die i know somebody will just through it all away anyway :eek:

kelstr
04-16-2008, 11:23 AM
Well, I couldn't see it going into a landfill. I had no idea what I was going to do with it but the word dump wasn't in any of the non-existant plans. Its funny how these things show up. Heres a 1960 DOT I had. It was a 197cc Villiers that wound up being bored out to take a 250 piston. It was flogged around the desert until I sold it in '67. Neat thing is I know where it is.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1497/img104lw5.jpg[/IMG]
that is such a neet looking bike , ----i have not seen one of those ,( thats really modern looking for 60 ) ----it has almost the same leeding link Boge ft suspension that my 71 German DKW 125 had .
that bike looks alot lighter than my DKW also , ----ill bet that dam little thing ripped really hard.
the DKW was very hard to ride fast and not get hurt .
i just can not believe all these great pictures you have of these bitchen old bikes .

Hoofhearted
04-16-2008, 02:17 PM
It was pretty light but not all that powerful. I put an expansion chamber on it and that helped a lot. If you look closely at the forks you'll see that the leading links are independent of each other. Most leading links are linked by a loop around the rear. It was really interesting to watch the front wheel when riding in the desert. The tire eventually rubbed the chrome off the shocks! I never thought of them as great old pictures. I wish, now, that I had taken more. These bikes were usually bought for a few bucks and sold for even less. In 1964 a friend of mine bought a '29 model A for $25. Bone stock, complete, but a bit raggy. He went off to college and thought he made a killing when he sold it for $50!!